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With respect, this is a very bad idea indeed.
If people leave a game the obvious result is that they lose on time. If this mechanism is not already in place then it should be. If I may suggest an alternative, it would be to give them a temporary ban.
In either case the offender will lose the game and their rating will go down whilst the other player gets the points.
This happens to me all the time on chess websites i.e. they are losing badly and decide to disconnect. When this happens to me I just read some news articles on another browser so that I can see if they return.
Fun fact:
Such people often wait until they have a few seconds left and then make a move. They hope that their opponent has left in disgust so that they are the ones who win on time!@mistertoad Hi Mr Toad, I am talking about the game where first turn, I bingo, they leave. Am thinking maybe give them 30 seconds to take turn or leave no penalty or if op bingos first turn and they leave then a penalty. Hope that clarifies
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@mistertoad Hi Mr Toad, I am talking about the game where first turn, I bingo, they leave. Am thinking maybe give them 30 seconds to take turn or leave no penalty or if op bingos first turn and they leave then a penalty. Hope that clarifies
@betterlate1-0 said in Rate deduction:
@mistertoad Hi Mr Toad, I am talking about the game where first turn, I bingo, they leave
Same answer!
You bingo, they leave, you get your points for the win, they lose points because they lost. I don't see what the problem is. -
@betterlate1-0 said in Rate deduction:
@mistertoad Hi Mr Toad, I am talking about the game where first turn, I bingo, they leave
Same answer!
You bingo, they leave, you get your points for the win, they lose points because they lost. I don't see what the problem is.@mistertoad if I am first turn and I bingo, game ends . No pts no winner . I come here to play lex not to start a game and leave it. If there is a penalty, people would consider staying and finishing. Don't you play when you are here? Never seen or experienced this?
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@betterlate1-0 said in Rate deduction:
@mistertoad Hi Mr Toad, I am talking about the game where first turn, I bingo, they leave
Same answer!
You bingo, they leave, you get your points for the win, they lose points because they lost. I don't see what the problem is.@mistertoad Maybe I should mention, if both do not take a turn there are no points
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@mistertoad Maybe I should mention, if both do not take a turn there are no points
@betterlate1-0 said in Rate deduction:
@mistertoad Maybe I should mention, if both do not take a turn there are no points
As I am pretty much a 'newbie' here, I did not know that. I think that this should be changed right away!
So, although I disagree with your suggestion of a penalty, I do not agree with Lexulous that an opponent withdrawing should escape scot free!
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@mistertoad if I am first turn and I bingo, game ends . No pts no winner . I come here to play lex not to start a game and leave it. If there is a penalty, people would consider staying and finishing. Don't you play when you are here? Never seen or experienced this?
@betterlate1-0 said in Rate deduction:
@mistertoad I come here to play lex not to start a game and leave it. If there is a penalty, people would consider staying and finishing. Don't you play when you are here? Never seen or experienced this?
I do sympathise with what you say but I thought that an opponent who withdraws for no reason would lose rating points even if both players hadn't moved.
I confess that there are two instances when I would really like to withdraw a game. One is when I am losing so badly that there seems no point in continuing when I don't have enough letter to catch up! The second instance is when this situation is reversed and the opponent has no chance of catching up.
In chess, there is the option of resigning ... why not with Scrabble games too??!!
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@betterlate1-0 said in Rate deduction:
@mistertoad Maybe I should mention, if both do not take a turn there are no points
As I am pretty much a 'newbie' here, I did not know that. I think that this should be changed right away!
So, although I disagree with your suggestion of a penalty, I do not agree with Lexulous that an opponent withdrawing should escape scot free!
@mistertoad not saying penalty for anything else. Enjoy your day
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@betterlate1-0 said in Rate deduction:
@mistertoad I come here to play lex not to start a game and leave it. If there is a penalty, people would consider staying and finishing. Don't you play when you are here? Never seen or experienced this?
I do sympathise with what you say but I thought that an opponent who withdraws for no reason would lose rating points even if both players hadn't moved.
I confess that there are two instances when I would really like to withdraw a game. One is when I am losing so badly that there seems no point in continuing when I don't have enough letter to catch up! The second instance is when this situation is reversed and the opponent has no chance of catching up.
In chess, there is the option of resigning ... why not with Scrabble games too??!!
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@mistertoad this is not chess
@betterlate1-0 said in Rate deduction:
@mistertoad this is not chess
OK, but the feelings we have about people quitting a game ("because they can") are exactly the same.
Some of the logic is similar too. For example, it's not about simply finding the best move, one has to take into account the consequences. In chess your 'brilliant' move may well be a prelude to a nasty trap that your opponent has thought about well in advance. Similarly, in Scrabble, by making a tempting high-scoring move you may be giving your opponent an opportunity to use a triple score.
But I promise to try not to overdo the analogies with chess, OK?!
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@betterlate1-0 said in Rate deduction:
@mistertoad I come here to play lex not to start a game and leave it. If there is a penalty, people would consider staying and finishing. Don't you play when you are here? Never seen or experienced this?
I do sympathise with what you say but I thought that an opponent who withdraws for no reason would lose rating points even if both players hadn't moved.
I confess that there are two instances when I would really like to withdraw a game. One is when I am losing so badly that there seems no point in continuing when I don't have enough letter to catch up! The second instance is when this situation is reversed and the opponent has no chance of catching up.
In chess, there is the option of resigning ... why not with Scrabble games too??!!
@mistertoad there is the option to resign; you must have seen it. But many people fail to use it.
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@mistertoad there is the option to resign; you must have seen it. But many people fail to use it.
@thatguythere202 why play if quitting?
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@mistertoad there is the option to resign; you must have seen it. But many people fail to use it.
@thatguythere202 I only play via email - I haven't seen a resign button.
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@thatguythere202 I only play via email - I haven't seen a resign button.
@mistertoad Please refer to this link to know more on how to resign: https://forum.lexulous.com/topic/16/resign-a-game?_=1651977751197
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@mistertoad Please refer to this link to know more on how to resign: https://forum.lexulous.com/topic/16/resign-a-game?_=1651977751197
@sakamvari
Thanks sakamvari. Referencing betterlate's comment, I would ask if players still lose points when they leave without being polite enough to resign in a sporting manner. -
@betterlate1-0 Thank you for sharing this feedback. We will pass this suggestion to our development team for consideration.
@sakamvari hope will happen so will it?
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@thatguythere202 I only play via email - I haven't seen a resign button.
@mistertoad I'm sorry, I didn't realize you play by email. I only played at the v2 website until recently. Just a couple of weeks ago I added the app on my google device, in order to play a certain friend who prefers that way. I find that there is a Resign option, accessible via the Menu (three horizontal lines at the bottom of the screen while the game table is visible). Does this match with anything you see while playing?
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@mistertoad I'm sorry, I didn't realize you play by email. I only played at the v2 website until recently. Just a couple of weeks ago I added the app on my google device, in order to play a certain friend who prefers that way. I find that there is a Resign option, accessible via the Menu (three horizontal lines at the bottom of the screen while the game table is visible). Does this match with anything you see while playing?
@thatguythere202 said in Rate deduction:
Does this match with anything you see while playing?
It does. I was remiss and have had to confess my sins below!
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@sakamvari
Thanks sakamvari. Referencing betterlate's comment, I would ask if players still lose points when they leave without being polite enough to resign in a sporting manner. -
@mistertoad No, as of now points are only adjusted on resigning.
@sakamvari said in Rate deduction:
@mistertoad No, as of now points are only adjusted on resigning.
So if a player is clearly losing the game, and they do not wish to suffer a drop in their rating, all they need to do is leave the game without resigning? This would seem to reward bad behaviour!
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@sakamvari said in Rate deduction:
@mistertoad No, as of now points are only adjusted on resigning.
So if a player is clearly losing the game, and they do not wish to suffer a drop in their rating, all they need to do is leave the game without resigning? This would seem to reward bad behaviour!
@mistertoad No, they still lose the game and the points if they quit (by leaving or going offline etc). This just happened to me now in fact. My opponent was losing heavily and got abusive. Soon after it told me they'd gone offline and I got the win. I assume they just closed the tab mid-game out of frustration.
